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- From: uglmiller@cc.memphis.edu
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- Subject: Re: Jack Tramiel
- Date: 17 Apr 96 18:24:25 -0500
- Organization: The University of Memphis
- Message-ID: <1996Apr17.182425@msuvx1.memphis.edu>
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- Atari made good money on low-cost machines for some time, although most of their early non-2600
- money came when the Atari 800 was ~$1000... CBM wasn't the only one.
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- In article <4l23b1$8b5@news-2.csn.net>, dmoorman@csn.net (David Moorman) writes:
- > Jim Brain (brain@mail.msen.com) wrote:
- >
- >
- > : >much less. People like Jack Tramiel built the computer industry into
- > : >what it has become.
- >
- > : Uh, dunno here. There are many more credible people that shaped the
- > : industry. Jack was ruthless... I think he played his part, but there
- > : was a cost. he ruined a lot of businesses and people in the process.
- >
- > : Others put out mediocre products just to make money
- >
- > : Well, although I love my 64, it has its faults. Some would call the serial
- > : bus a mediocre part of the suystems... It was left in due to the cost of
- > : redoing it.... And Jack wanted to make bunches of money. Such is why
- > : he was in business.
- >
- > : were simply inferior (the legacy 1525 line...), and many other things
- > : stinketh at the company. The rpices were good, I will say that. The
- > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
- > And have you noticed that since the price massacre of 1982, NOBODY
- > in the state-of-the-art computer world has EVER cut prices -- until
- > the machine is a whole digit behind. I expect that JT saw that
- > R&D was recouped, so what the hell. Make those other guys sweat
- > all through the fall and winter!
- >
- > But, in fact, no one but CBM (Consistantly Bad Management) ever made
- > any money of bottom-price machines. IBM tried. Once. Decided it
- > wasn't what THEY wanted to do for a living! I said CBM made money.
- > It never showed -- except that a lot of very gold parachute unfurled
- > the February after they cut the C64!
- >
- > Dave
- > : product was good which, with the price, was the reason I bought one.
- >
- > : So, I'll defend the product, but I WILL NOT defend the company. I'll
- > : applaud Jack for making computers affordable, but the tales I hear of how
- > : he did it border on unethical. I know at least two companies Tramiel
- > : personally tried to sink, in order to boost profit and cut costs, and
- > : these two firms made parts for CBM, they weren't competitors. Personally,
- > : I like my business practices to be a little less questionable.
- >
- > : So, I suggest everything spend their energies defending and talking up the
- > : Commodore products, and leave defending the business to people who have
- > : nothing else to do. Fact it, CBM was a business. Jack did some things
- > : right, and some he didn't. Such is business, I guess.
- >
- > : Jim
- >
- > : --
- > : Jim Brain, Embedded System Designer, Brain Innovations, Inc. (BII)(offline sig)
- > : brain@mail.msen.com "Above views DO reflect my employer, since I'm my employer"
- > : Dabbling in WWW, Embedded Systems, VR, Old CBM computers, and Good Times! -Me-
- > : <a href=http://www.msen.com/~brain/>Jim Brain: BII, VR, and CBM info</a>
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